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He is the King of Israel! So this is not a discussion about whether Jesus lived or died — these are both facts that no one disputes. We know that Jesus died. But do you trust that Jesus died FOR you? In the clip this little band of brothers is on a mission to save the world — an allegory of Jesus and his disciples. All sermons. I put Him there — you put Him there. The hand that was nailed to a cross to cleanse our souls of the stains of the world? Good Friday. Last night at the Tenebrae service we asked do you trust that Jesus sacrificed himself for you?

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And today I ask do you trust that Jesus died, for you? Coincidentally, these iron nails did not keep Jesus on the cross. You did and I did. Secondly, A. I love it! This radical God who is crazy about us! Really loved this-yes everything about Jesus is radical. That is what irked the religious of His day.

Ohhh to be like Jesus! The bishop, the lover of my soul, Ohhh to be like Him. You are commenting using your WordPress. You are commenting using your Google account. You are commenting using your Twitter account. You are commenting using your Facebook account.

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Share this: Twitter Facebook. Like this: Like Loading Love u dad. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:. Email required Address never made public. If you take the property dualist option, then there are various different views that are consistent with property dualism. Then, you could still, I think, say that Christ has a reasonable soul and mean by that Christ has the requisite mental life in order for Him to be a complete human being and the requisite mental life is one that is not reducible to the physical life.

There is definitely a distinction between the mental and physical.

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It seems to me that that is a better way forward, a way that involves maximizing the options that are on the table. In such a difficult, as well as complex and controversial subject as what we are as human persons, it makes sense to maximize the options rather than reduce them. We want to give Christians the options that they need in order to make sense of these things in different ways for the sake of the church, and for the sake of the future of the faith.

These many different views that still fit a Christian perspective on the Incarnation, the central doctrine, increases, strengthens, and builds the plausibility structure of Christianity.

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The best way to get into that content is to subscribe to our email list. Head over to the home page, cct. Now, back to the show to hear about how Oliver Crisp finds worth in the soul. Oliver: Yes, I do.

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Those who are interested and involved in this debate are all pretty much of the same view on that particular point. Christologically speaking, it makes sense to say that Christ has a reasonable soul means He has a human soul, distinct from his body, and that the Incarnation involves the assumption of a human body and soul rightly configured. That seems to me to be not only the default in the tradition, or some version of that seems to be the default in the tradition, but it also seems to me to be a very plausible way of thinking about human life.

It seems to me that human life is a soul-ish kind of life. That my life is not reducible to something physical, but is distinct from something physical.

It seems to me that I am a soul. I think that there are good arguments for physicalism of various sorts.

I also think that on a spectrum of metaphysical views — where on the one extreme, you have those who think we are souls, and on the other extreme, you have those who think we are merely bodies, then you have, in the middle, those who think we are souls plus bodies — that there are views very close to those sorts of physicalist view that would be acceptable to many people in the Christian tradition.

For example, the notion of hylomorphism. Evan: That word he said right there, hylomorphism, is a philosophical view. In this case, the soul would be the form of the body, the matter. Oliver: …which is really a very popular view in the Christian tradition, hylomorphism being the baptized version of Aristotelian ways of thinking about human persons, where the soul is something like the organizing principle of the body.

On some versions of hylomorphism, that organizing principle is a material principle, so that it turns out hylomorphism is basically a species of something like property dualism, as I was saying earlier. Other people think of hylomorphism as something like a version of substance dualism. In any case, it looks to me like hylomorphism, as an important view that you find a lot in the Christian tradition, is not that far away, metaphysically speaking, from certain forms of physicalism that are also property dualist accounts.

That has to do with the Imago Dei, the image of God. Oliver: One could read the biblical record as saying that Christ is the image of God. We read this in Colossians and Hebrews. He created them. He is the divine person united to human nature. As that unique interface between God and human beings, He images God in a way that nothing else can. What if God created human beings in order that they might image Him, in order that they might be united to Him, in order that we might participate in the divine life?

In order to bring that about He had to ensure that Christ was the God-man, this interface, the image. If you like, a bit like a car prototype. You have the prototype. You have the blueprints for the prototype. You run the prototype. You run the tests. It works, and then you make the production-line model.

Oliver: In a sense, maybe Christ is like the prototype human being. We are the production-line models.

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As we think about a Christology and the image of God, that has implications for what we think about us as human beings. Evan: This way of viewing the share image of Christ and humanity, that shared image of God, has really interesting implications about what it is to be a human person. Oliver: There we could take this slightly further and say if Christ is a divine person with a human nature in this analogy of the prototype in the production line model, maybe God has made us all so that we have something like a God-shaped port into which God may upload Himself, as He has in the case of Christ in becoming incarnate.

Think about the USB port on the side of your laptop or the back of your old desktop tower thingy. In the case of Christ, He does upload Himself into the human nature of Christ. Christ is virginally conceived. Normally, the bioethical discussion, from a Christian perspective, goes along the lines of benefit of the doubt reasoning. Evan: A profound element of understanding human persons this way is that we are human persons in light of who Jesus is. At bottom, Christmas is a mystery, bizarre, a revelation, weird, otherworldly.