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For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed. Copyright , , by Biblica, Inc. Acts I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Hi, I would like to learn and research more on having a discerning spirit. Please, pray for me!! That I stand boldy for truth. And, I study to show myself approved. Only pride would make one think they where.
Hi Tony. The problem is the Jesus that Bill Johnson preaches. Study carefully what he says about Christ, and compare that to Scripture. Paul wrote several times in his new testament letters against false teachings such as Gnosticism and legalism in very harsh ways. And he called these teachers by name at times. And that we can only do by studying the Scriptures.
What groups like Bethel and others do is declare that people who rely on Scripture as the final test of faith are pharisees and legalistic. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus said that we shall know the truth and it will set us free. The Word of God given life by The Spirit is what sets us free. Bethel etc, keep a stranglehold on people by the proclamations of apostleship and prophets. Remember, the best way for a wolf to catch the sheep is to pretend to be one. We all are…. It seems your theology suggest greater things and gifts of the holy spirit are all based on human standards.
If God says not one is good, and He says He has good things in store for you, does that standard of good come from you or from God? Would you like to endure half of the suffering he did? Could you even? So sad! He said he came so that we may have Life and to the full, overflowing. I believe that means in every area of life. To me you are the one teaching heretical Christianism, Not true Christianity. My God is a Good Good Father. Every good thing comes from God. False miracles, and capitalizing on teaching people to be fake healers and false prophets at BSSM is forbidden in the Bible.
Come on now, the Body of Christ is better than this. No they dont.
They are standing for the Word and rightly dividing it. You probably need some discernment because Costi and this site are spot on according to the Word of God. Not everything in the Bible is black and white Jordan. It seems that when an opposing view on theology is heard about from this site they are quick to shoot it down without real debate. It will not matter in comparison to eternity. I only see one-sidedness, single-mindedness, and the fruit of division.
Interestingly, division leads to unity. Look at what happened with the Protestant Reformation. Your response reminded me of 1 Corinthians Although I believe there is partial truth to your statement. The division between Judah and Israel is another example of this. Solomon rebelled and the Catholic Church turned to man-glorifying legalism. But because our God is rich in mercy and grace, He can make what is intended for evil and use it for good.
And I do see history repeating itself. I see the returning of legalism and modern day Pharisees in the church since the Protestant Reformstion. I see places, such as this site, telling people what is and what is not, do this and not this, act this way and not this way, and so on. When I look at this site I only see bad fruit. I see nothing here but legalism, control, and division.
The greater things that the Bible is referring to is actually the spread of the Gospel Through the Ages not necessarily additional Miracles or signs and wonders. It is not that God cannot miraculously heal absolutely can. What that scripture is taken completely out of context. All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will. I completely agree with you. Thanks for pointing that out. Gifts done in ones own will is only self-glorying.
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Jesus was limited to Galilee and Judea, but His disciples spread the Gospel even further. Today, as the larger Body of Christ, we can do greater works globally and witness the miracle of salvation — the healing of the greatest illness sin. This is a joke right? Well, the Bible does tell us that Chriatians will be persecuted, so here it is. God will continue to bless both bethel and Jesus culture regardless! Have you read the Bible? The religious leaders in Jesus day thought He was off…. Read the Bible… miracles still happen… I am one. Hi Jean! I completely agree, miracles still happen.
This post has nothing to do with miracles though. It has everything to do with the Christological heresies that Bethel teaches. Acts Not every church has perfect theological teaching and doctrine. If we searched the authors church or denomination we would find unbiblical teachings or interpretation. Last time I read my bible Jesus and the earlier apostles preached and walked a gospel of power and any gospel void of that power is a form of godliness and is heretical.
Just because it goes against your experience or interpretation of of Scripture does not make it false. Joshua, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. One thing to note: this article has nothing to do with Jesus doing miracles or teaching such things. Power is in the truth, no matter how much someone believes a lie.
I think you have overlooked the subject here. It could be a lot worse. I love bethel music and hillsong as well and im 48 years old and a music producer and songwriter, and they reach a lot of our youth which is great!!! You should waste your time and energy on something else besides what kind of Christian music people should sing… why dont you try and write a song about God and see how it comes out. Jim, thanks for your comment. Encourage you to do some research. Not speaking here as a stone-throwing outsider, but rather, as someone who came out of the inner circles of this movement.
What kind of research did you do?? Where can I access your sources to study. Please, also be in prayer for me in having a discerning spirit.
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Thank you!! Be Blessed. Why do you say to stop wasting time saying what kind of Christian music ppl can listen to while also calling rap and hip hop garbage? There is good and bad examples of all genres. I listen to some Christian rap songs with more sound theology than most bethel songs. I would listen to various christian songs playing and began to create a playlist of different music. I never listen to the pastor from where they came from. I started seeing news feed on FB about his false teaching and the music of this group.
I end up removing songs from my playlist and it took a minute. I saw music as however you the person got from what was being sung. I saw a few songs I did liked as God speaking. I do see a lot of church choirs using there music. I also see being Latino many churches in Latin America and Brasil also. Reading the different comments is a bit disturbing. I dont think the issue should be whether miracles and supernatural gifts still exist, which was not the point of the article.
What bill Johnson teaches is completely unbiblical. I encourage anyone that sincerely seeks the true heart of God, to do some research. As believers, we can get bogged down with the argument about supernatural gifts, when the real issue is far more serious. For people that seriously defend Bethel, there is enough information freely available to do research. Remember, God wont hold against you if you search His Word to verify if something is true. Even Paul, bringing the gospel to the Bereans, commended them for checking, and not just believing him blindly.
The one point I partly agree upon from Bethel defenders is that perhaps Word based Christians have tended to marginalize the Holy spirit. He has kinda been relegated to the lesser part of the Trinity, almost just an add-on in Baptism and Benedictions, and possibly to help in understanding the Bible. He is more than just that. This probably widely happened due to the excesses attributed to Him in the Charismatic movement and the rejection thereof throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Good clarity, Hagen. This is about Christological errors and the proliferation of music that supports that end in one way or another.
Wait Hagen, are you saying there is a lesser part of the Trinity?? Well, that is interesting…. God is exposing a lot of corruption in the body of Christ , if you listen to these groups , just pray and ask God to reveal truth , and pray for discernment…. How difficult is it for us as Christians to just want Jesus? To desire the simplicity that is found in Him above all else. All through history there have been people that love the Lord that have had crazy theology.
The folks that are writing the books and the music may not have everything exactly right, but God knows their heart. And so do you. Preach the gospel and leave it to the Holy Spirit to sort out the heretics. A lot of generalizations and assumptions here. Only reveals more about the character of this site and their legalism and sense of needing to control. If you have responded in one of those 3 ways, your comment may have been denied, which this site reserves the right to do. Feel free to take screen shots should you feel the need to track this.
I did neither of these three, two of my responses that were deleted were me replying to others comments with Scripture. This site is a joke. My comments did not contain any of these three. My two replies that were deleted were about how Scripture clearly stands against division of the Body of Christ. Both Em and Brianna are my name, my nickname is Em. You guys are again just finding any excuse to silence those who disagree with you.
All of my comments have been scripture based and have had multiple scripture references for back up. Can it possibly see how it would be reported as spam. Imagine how boring Christianity would be if everyone had the same judgmental viewpoint as yourself. Their fate lies with Jesus the judge not us. This is why folks are tired of church. I could poke holes in every argument here and in the replies but, why? Seek to understand not be understood. Every life has a different set of experiences that informs their beliefs. Let them have it! Enough of the bleeding heart nonsense. Have faith in God not man.
Ridiculous squabbling and self righteousness on display. Thank you! All these people arguing, specifically against Bethel, are nothing more than modern day Pharisees. Like the Pharisees in Jesus day, you not Justin Miller do nothing but try to discredit the works of Jesus and assassinate the characters of those who are actually obeying the entire Word of God. You religious lot again, not Justin make me sick. Calling this music as heretic is a stretch.
This all sounds more like a disguised version of generational and personal preference. No matter how many words the author or commentaries use, the matter is about preference. Rather than seek to divide, we would be better served to stop picking on each other and focus on Christ. Where do I even start. Have you ever been to one of these churches and worshipped the heavenly father? Do you believe in the bible at all?
I mean, you kinda leave out numerous powerful verses all having do do with healing. What I get from your long blog post is that you dont believe in the power of our God. And that my friend is some twisted theology. Can you tell me, send me, or show me the infallible church, preacher, and religion you belong to? No church is perfect. Their leaders teach that people are by nature good— even unbelievers.
They promote and are largely themselves false teachers and false prophets. Holly Pivec of Spirit of Error exposed this well. I have a question about the practicality of all of this. As a pastor and leader, how do we go forward with these principles? I would imagine you can see the challenges this presents. Every song we sing from the stage now just come under rigorous theological scrutiny, as do the views of the artists who write the songs. If we sing a song on Sunday morning, and it turns out the band that wrote that also hold this wildly heretical view or that view, how do we proceed?
Who is held responsible? Great questions, brother. All of these have worked in various situational contexts. If contemporary style is desired then work with the musicians over a period of time to modernize some of the arrangements of hymns.
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This would help put people on the same page from a philosophy standpoint and reduce the amount of misunderstanding that takes place when this topic comes up. Help people understand that, like Dr. Of course, robust discussion is always helpful if people have humble hearts and want to learn, but worship wars are the result of poor leadership.
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I remember one Sunday when just before our book came out a song almost slipped through the cracks. It happens. But we need to address when it does. Church leaders should be focused on this area in one of a few ways. The […]. Your email address will not be published. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.
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Gold dust, feathers, whatever. Amen Reply. Lauralei, thank you. P Reply. Tolerance is not loving Reply. Amen, Bill. Matthew Tell me more Reply. You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!! Proverbs Reply. Mark Romans Acts Acts Acts Acts Acts Acts It is not God we put inside of a box, for that would be impossible for us to do and arrogant to think we can.
This is correct. I am writing a paper on discernment. Here is my portion on false teachers. I ask of you politely if you need to use my writing please cite me — John Joo. Jesus said: Acts I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them Reply. Kindly, Tara Reply. Thank you for this..
Praise the Lord! We all are… Reply. Rightly dividing the Word? Can you elaborate? History repeats itself, whether you see it happening or not. What that scripture is taken completely out of context Reply.